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the first thing that i

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think i need to make clear is that

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the reason why this encounter is

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actually considered to be a little bit

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out of the ordinary is the fact that it

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actually involved multiple witnesses in

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fact three separate parties of witnesses

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in three separate cars

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um six people in all

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and uh the subsequent investigation

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recovered a lot of ground traces

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including marks on the field and

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physical marks on on the bodies of four

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of the people involved including myself

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so

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what we have i guess is a case that's

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very unusual and and not often

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encountered but

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yes you do have extraordinary evidence

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which i would love to go into a little

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bit later in the show to fill our

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audience in about

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um let's start when did this close

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encounter begin what was the the

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8th of august 1993 um my husband and i

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were driving home from a friend's house

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probably about 50 kilometers out of

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melbourne

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i guess we saw it about twice the height

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of the treetops um from several hundred

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meters away something that looked like

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at first like a blimp but as we drove

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closer to it it looked like a circle of

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round orange lights

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um except in those lights uh there

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appeared to be figures standing in the

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shadows

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um inside inside behind the orange

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lights um you could see silhouettes of

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tall dark figures and i had enough time

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to say to my husband look at the people

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in the windows when it shot off to the

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left of us and with in a couple of

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seconds it was totally gone

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but that was only the start of it

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because we continued uh driving down the

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road and about

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two kilometers later

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we ran into what i guess

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i could call a wall or a screen of light

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it seemed that way to me anyway i

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actually had to put my hand up to my

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brow

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in order to

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look through the window at the

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windscreen and i still couldn't see a

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from there on

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we actually rounded a corner and

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what was sitting in the field on the

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side of the road was

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a huge craft probably

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the size of a two to three story

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building and the length of an olympic

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swimming pool so it wasn't something

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that was really uh easy to miss and we

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pulled the car over but we weren't the

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only people that did

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100 metres behind us a bank manager his

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wife and their friend who's a registered

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nurse pulled over and another 25 to 35

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metres behind them david

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a government law department employee on

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his way home actually pulled over as

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well now you weren't traveling on the

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road with these people

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didn't you know these people at all

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all right so basically we stopped the

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car got out crossed the road um

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i saw

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a whole heap of well actually at first

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it seemed to be one figure in front of

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the craft and then a whole heap of them

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i felt um at the same time

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this energy or frequency goes through my

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body and it's

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quite difficult to explain it because

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there really isn't a parallel comparison

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i might be able to relate it is it felt

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a low level frequency

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coming in waves through my body yet it

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was actually so dense that i could

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physically feel it and it literally

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terrified the living daylights out of me

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when i got out of the car i was um

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i was exhilarated you know i wasn't

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frightened when i got out of the car all

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i could think is this is absolutely

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amazing and we're seeing something that

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most people wouldn't get the chance to

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see in a million lifetimes and all of a

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sudden that euphoria changed to absolute

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horror and um

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i guess lost the plot

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i really lost control i i was so freaked

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out i started screaming and um was this

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physically uncomfortable to feel that

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interfering with the way

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that my mind worked it was like i

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couldn't think straight um

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it was like i was fighting to

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to be able to think properly at all and

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all i could feel was this raw emotional

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terror it was it really was like a

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living nightmare

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and um oh goodness then these beings or

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figures came across the field they split

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up in and at the same time as i was

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their eyes appeared to light up a a

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bright red color i don't know whether

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that's infrared or what it was

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two groups some came towards us some

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came towards a second party of people

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down the road i felt this blow to my

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solar plexus and i landed flat on my

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back in the grass oh my god so you got

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knocked over forcefully yeah by

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something that didn't touch you that you

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saw but it was something that it was

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an electric charge of some sort it

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wasn't like a thump it was like um i'd

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received an electric shock straight in

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the sole

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yeah and were you knocked off your feet

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literally off my feet and flat on my

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back on the ground and it knocked the

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wind out of me i couldn't breathe

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and i really really struggled to sit up

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i kept thinking i was going to die if i

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i was violently nauseous as well as

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struggling to get a bit of air into my

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lungs and

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i couldn't see a thing in front of my

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eyes and that's how i remained for the

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that i i remember sitting on

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in the grass i was totally blind i

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how terrifying yeah it was actually it

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was hysterical and i

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to to think about how hysterical i was

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there but i think um it's not until you

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put in a situation that's totally out of

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your control here absolutely and you're

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being assaulted knocked over you're

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losing your vision and how many red-eyed

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terrifying foreign beings are coming

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and i went absolutely ballistic and the

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next thing i can remember was being back

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you felt something touching you yeah

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without it so that was why you were

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still lying on the ground you know i was

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actually sitting up um

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before i i was touched on a shoulder i

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heard this male voice say will someone

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do something about it i don't know it

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sounds ridiculous

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do something and someone do something

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about her and you think it was one of

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those beings yeah yeah well i couldn't

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see you know i could only hear yeah that

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was totally blind was this a voice you

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audible voice it wasn't you know and it

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was clearly in english obviously yes but

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there was an accent or anything i just i

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didn't recognize one so i

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assumed there wasn't

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anything out of the ordinary with the

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voice at all did you hear any sounds

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the very beginning when i first got hit

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couldn't see that i was blind and i

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heard him say let go of me

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voice um say we don't mean you any harm

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hit kelly then

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actually threw up that's how frightened

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while i was sitting down i uh

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literally threw up so oh dear goodness

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being touched after uh sitting up and

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then you woke up

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where well i was back in the car and

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totally disoriented um and as far as i

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could remember on that particular night

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was us driving into this light and i

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couldn't remember what had gone out on

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the field until several weeks later

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actually until we had driven back up

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there again but when i got home that

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the first thing was that we had about an

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hour and a half that we couldn't account

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for it it just seemed to have gone

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instantaneously missing from our lives

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an equilateral triangle mark underneath

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my navel how large or small would that

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be about nine or ten millimeters each

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what did that look like uh the triangle

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did have a color texture yeah it was red

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um it actually looked like a burn or is

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it as if the first few layers of um

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didn't pay a lot of attention to it i

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noticed it because it was geometric and

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i'm sort of was wondering well i wonder

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if this had anything to do with what we

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saw up in the sky but then i thought no

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i'm being ridiculous so i left that but

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i think the main problem that occurred

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that night was that i started bleeding

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when i wasn't due and

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quite profusely and that continued for

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three and a half weeks till i was

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hospitalized with an infection in the

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womb

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which the doctors the hospital doctors

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now as it happens

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the two ladies

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in the second party also

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had gynological problems quite severe

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one some

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instantly post encounter

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they were also left with the triangular

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marks underneath their enables

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and what did the diagnosis for that

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bleeding turn out to be well there was

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no diagnosis there's even even on the

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medical records i have there's still

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question marks beside everything you

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know they checked out um

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a uh well first they did pregnancy

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tested to even test that i've been

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pregnant and something hadn't tested and

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that was negative they um

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they

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checked out endometritis a whole heap of

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things and all that they had was that

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there was a

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anti-uterine infection and they had real

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really no explanation for why it

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actually started

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now you

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wrote about all the details of your

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encounter um in this book encounter

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which we'll be talking about in a few

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minutes for the audience and showing

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them some pictures out of it

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um

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but uh so this didn't seem to be related

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to any uh pregnancy or anything like

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that they just have question marks yeah

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for your case yeah um still on the

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medical records oh my goodness

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and how did were they able to they were

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obviously able to treat you for this and

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what was the treatment yeah um i was

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placed on a

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very strong proof of antibiotics

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for several days in hospital then

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let out and um

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yeah it seemed it seems to do the trick

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and

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heal the problem but uh

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why the problem occurred in the first

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place is still a mystery i guess

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yeah anyway i went forward to

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researchers um this was a bit of a

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problem i knew something had gone on

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here and i wanted to do something about

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it my husband wasn't in agreement with

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it but i just couldn't help myself i

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started bringing universities and

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finally the the civil aviation authority

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put me on to ufo researchers and at that

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time i had no idea that if something

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like a ufo researcher existed you know i

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sort of thought i'm the only person in

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the history of mankind that this has

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happened to so this was a subject you

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had no interest no familiarity with and

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this extraordinary experience happens to

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you yeah and that is really what uh made

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you seek out assistance from

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people in the field so how did that turn

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now what about your husband now let's

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backtrack a tiny bit if you don't mind

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did he have any marks on his body no

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he's the only one that actually yeah

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he's he

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he and bill um the male member of the

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second party seemed to be the only ones

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that didn't have marks on their bodies

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so out of the six witnesses

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there were three females or four females

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there was three females and three males

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three females had marx and one male

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but the other two didn't

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okay does your husband did he have

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recollection

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the next day also or a few weeks later

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when you went back to that same place

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um

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my my husband uh he remembered seeing

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the craft in the sky and

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but

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whenever i mentioned anything out on the

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field he would go absolutely ballistic

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he would get really really angry and he

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denied it for a long time until

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about two and a half years ago

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when he finally came out and said you

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know admitted that yeah he remembers

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what went on out in the field and he has

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memories of it too and he's also seen

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these things at other stages throughout

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his lifetime before this which really

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surprised me after all these years of

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him denying it but you have to

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understand he comes from a muslim

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background and everything to him was

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anything to do with ufos or all this was

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totally demonic so his idea was not to

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touch it not to think about it not to do

393
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anything he was trying to deny this

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whole event occurred

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and it will go away yeah which obviously

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as you know doesn't work now what about

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your background what what is uh you said

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he was a muslim well i was a

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strange marriage mix here but i was a

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full-on pentecostal christian at the

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time which probably explains half of my

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reaction out on the field because you

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know i thought i'd had a run in with

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satan himself while i was out there and

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i think you know my hysterics had a lot

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to do with that um

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i i think uh having an upset reaction

408
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has a lot to do with everything

409
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incredible amount of

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traumatic events that happen in a short

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period of time so his reaction after was

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he didn't want to talk about it and you

413
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obviously felt the need to do so you had

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physical problems

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came off the iv or were there some

416
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lingering physical effects that occurred

417
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effects after the encounter

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i think for about nine months i had

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massive migraine headaches and extreme

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sensitivity to light and to noise um

421
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that seemed to clear up eventually but

422
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this seemed to be

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immediately post-encounter effects um

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whether that's from oh i don't know what

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it's from whether it's from the

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frequencies

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we felt had you ever had migraines prior

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to this and you were getting them how

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often uh on a daily basis some days i

430
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couldn't even get out of bed they were

431
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so severe i i all i'd want to do was

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feel like i was going to throw up all

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day and i just couldn't lift my head off

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the pillow goodness and the doctors said

435
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what about these migraines well

436
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not a lot i was sent for for cat scans

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and uh there didn't seem to

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be any major problem at all nothing was

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showing up in the medical department

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it's a bit hard to tell doctors oh hold

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on you know i had this ufo encounter

442
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maybe this could be linked to it just

443
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you know you just don't do things like

444
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that right right

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okay so now

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um you had started to lead us into the

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talk about contacting uh researchers in

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australia yes in australia uh phenomenal

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research australia was the people that i

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eventually got in contact with and

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i'm very thankful that i did because um

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they have now gone ahead and done what

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is considered to be probably the most

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thorough scientific investigation ever

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done on a ufo case in australia um

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was it an organization or one individual

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no it was an organization but it was

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headed by john orgatell

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although it ended up expanding beyond

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that uh

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uh the monash university of melbourne

462
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got very deeply involved in the on-field

463
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data collection and analysis as well so

464
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now what now this is very remarkable now

465
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:14,240
we in this country when there's a ufo

466
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case or a close encounter the

467
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universities don't jump on board and

468
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people don't start usually jumping on

469
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board to do good quality research but

470
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you had a reaction like that over there

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you were very fortunate i was so very

472
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very lucky and uh now was it was this uh

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were ufo phenomena was that commonly

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talked about or no no

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australia that's oh it's definitely been

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research going on for many many years

477
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there's been a lot more cases and will

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ever be brought out in public but it it

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wasn't an issue that was dealt with in

480
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public at the time so your case really

481
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was pivotal and brilliant it opened up i

482
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opened the media up in australia

483
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incredibly um yeah it was uh but the

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research itself um i just want to go

485
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back to that for a moment absolutely but

486
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the on field ground traces and data took

487
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18 months of investigation

488
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there was no expense speed there was

489
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aerial surveys uh you know infrared

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photography from the air uh the magnetic

491
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readings taken were taken by a portable

492
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magnetometer

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250 000 worth of equipment and only one

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of two in australia

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um

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so they basically went all the way and

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i've seen photographs of

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several acres of of the fields cordoned

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off into one metre blocks um with pegs

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and ribbon and samples were taken from

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every single block and uh several times

502
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actually and uh sent to two separate um

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individual analysts um

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but the ground traces included uh a

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triangular mark out on the field

506
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that was first thought to be

507
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burns but ended up being the chemical

508
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pyrin which is a carcinogenic

509
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cancer-causing agent but

510
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it does come naturally in small

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quantities in areas such as coal loads

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but geologically it shouldn't have been

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in this particular position and

514
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certainly not in a triangular formation

515
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how large was the triangle

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the triangle was only um

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it was an equilateral triangle again and

518
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but the marks were only 20 feet apart um

519
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however there was another very large

520
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magnetic anomaly in the shape of a

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semicircle and actually if i show you

522
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the picture of the craft we all drew

523
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these are the this is the original craft

524
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that i actually uh here tell you what

525
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let's hold it up for the camera and

526
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we'll let them uh do a close-up okay

527
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we're going to use this camera correct

528
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which one are we using here

529
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all right this camera is going to do a

530
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close-up

531
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in a moment and

532
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there we go all right now i'm going to

533
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point to the one that we're talking

534
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about first now this one right here is

535
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the

536
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close encounter did you do this um

537
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within about four or five weeks four to

538
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,559
five weeks yesterday were you asked to

539
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,400
do so yes i was when i first contacted

540
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the researchers they they um asked that

541
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uh i submit anything that i could

542
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remember including drawings um and uh

543
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you know written documentation of

544
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everything that i remembered

545
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the second and the reason you didn't do

546
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the sooner is because you were having

547
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,840
that medical problem for the first three

548
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and a half weeks certainly

549
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the reason is that i hadn't gone forward

550
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,120
to researchers you know i mean

551
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that took a bit of courage and it also

552
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,200
took a bit of research to even find out

553
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,919
where to go to yeah but the second group

554
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came forward six weeks after um i did

555
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with the same story and drew the same

556
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thing yet they

557
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,840
hadn't weren't aware that i'd already

558
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been to the researchers and they weren't

559
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,919
told about that either until until

560
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approximately

561
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nine months um

562
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after the investigation had started oh

563
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after the encounter so how did these

564
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people know to come forward was there

565
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,200
some publicity involved no no none

566
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,960
whatsoever they on their own just like

567
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,440
you felt and you know oh no no no no no

568
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:02,640
what

569
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,520
an advertisement put by the researchers

570
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,600
in a local paper because i insisted that

571
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,000
there was second um a second group of

572
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:14,720
people behind me but the advertisement

573
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,080
was very carefully worded um

574
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:20,960
and it was basically to do if if anyone

575
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,080
had had any unusual activity in in this

576
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,320
particular suburb and what they did get

577
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:28,640
was a whole spate of ufo sighting

578
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,760
reports

579
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,679
and then they've got this one phone call

580
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,760
of these people saying look i don't know

581
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,159
if you're going to believe this but

582
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:38,080
we had this really unusual experience

583
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,360
and then they mentioned the name of the

584
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,799
road and i mean that those sort of

585
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,480
things weren't so it wasn't just

586
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,840
actually the people on the ground there

587
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:45,120
were a lot of people that had seen an

588
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,710
right and they didn't say ufo sighting

589
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:02,240
or anything and yet they got a series of

590
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,919
calls about this very compelling so um

591
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,000
so basically they were kept unaware of

592
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,159
our presence that night and um the

593
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,919
sketches they drew were without ever

594
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,000
seeing mine or having any clue of what

595
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,000
i'd drawn the same as the beans on the

596
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,080
field they drew very similar sketches to

597
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,559
very similar absolutely um

598
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,559
and what we'd seen wasn't the usual

599
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,320
little gray that most people may have

600
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,320
seen in the media these were six to

601
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,400
seven foot tall and black let's take a

602
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,280
look at the drawings that um the same

603
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,960
witnesses the same two women who drew

604
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,159
the craft

605
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,080
craft and yourself so we'll do a

606
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,799
close-up of this and again i'll point

607
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:40,720
to the

608
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,559
the one right here that kelly drew

609
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,880
and oops cricket sorry about that and

610
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,640
the ones on the other page are by the

611
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,120
other two witnesses who also

612
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,799
did the same drawing did the similar

613
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,559
drawings of the crap completely separate

614
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,240
did these two women uh talk with each

615
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,520
other before they did their drawings

616
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,640
were they friends they were they were

617
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,400
friends

618
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,360
okay

619
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,679
now the unusual thing is that

620
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,440
we all did the same thing all we drew

621
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,480
were a face and eyes no nose no mouth no

622
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,559
anything else and did they feel that the

623
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,280
eyes were red as well um they don't

624
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:17,200
remember the eyes lighting up red simply

625
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,320
because when they were on the side of

626
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,240
the field they when they first crossed

627
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,240
the road they saw the craft they saw the

628
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,400
beings they heard a humming noise and

629
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,159
that was it they were unconscious so

630
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,440
they didn't even see the beings come

631
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,880
across the field and split up that they

632
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,520
did see them there um

633
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,360
so i you know our story is slightly

634
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,679
different but they they

635
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,880
simply because we had different

636
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,039
experiences at the same place but they

637
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,200
did take researchers back to the same

638
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,960
place and so you might have been the

639
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,559
only unfortunate one that got knocked

640
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,480
off her yeah i might have been the only

641
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,919
unfortunate one that managed to stay

642
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,440
conscious for a little while longer i

643
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,960
would have been better off if i hadn't

644
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,919
yeah

645
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,480
truly difficult one

646
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,679
goodness

647
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,760
all right so let's keep talking about

648
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,520
the uh during the investigation with

649
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,200
this researcher that

650
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,720
did you find this helpful to find out

651
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,480
that the other witnesses had seen a

652
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:06,840
similar thing when you did yeah

653
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,720
um well it's sort of uh by that stage i

654
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,159
was really starting to think god i must

655
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,080
be going crazy you know

656
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,039
absolutely yeah it must be some form of

657
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,120
psychosis or something like that because

658
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
it just couldn't be real and i think

659
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,320
that was the greatest effect on my whole

660
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,720
life actually is that

661
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,320
all through my life i've been taught

662
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,520
that

663
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,960
strange things like this they don't

664
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,840
exist

665
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:32,480
and i believed in science and academia

666
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:33,520
and

667
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,000
with this reality that something did

668
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,480
exist and i've been told that this just

669
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,400
didn't exist so i'd never contemplated

670
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,480
it and i started realizing hey these

671
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,919
guys don't know what they're talking

672
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,520
about there's just opinions because they

673
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,960
didn't really know

674
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,720
and i think that's where

675
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,279
your whole concept of of logic and

676
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,120
reality gets shaken to the very

677
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,000
foundations um

678
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,400
with myself uh it was

679
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,720
almost like i had to go right back and

680
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,480
start to question everything i'd ever

681
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,880
been taught in my life

682
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200
and ask ask myself is this truth or not

683
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,360
and i have to find the answer for myself

684
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,679
what a difficult search

685
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,200
very difficult

686
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,880
i bet that's been quite a difficult

687
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,279
struggle to especially since the general

688
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,640
public although

689
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,240
like i said you're fortunate that the

690
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,919
media and the people you turned to for

691
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,679
help were at least willing to assist you

692
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,039
rather than

693
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,039
uh giving you very negative feedback and

694
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,760
just ignoring you and leaving you alone

695
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,320
um to deal with it

696
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,720
without information well i think i think

697
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,679
um the australian media

698
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,760
actually talked to this so well simply

699
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,799
because

700
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,240
for the first time they had something

701
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,919
physical to look at they had ground

702
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,600
traces to look at they had marks on

703
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,200
people's bodies um

704
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,120
uh

705
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,960
glenda from the second car and david

706
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,400
from the third car

707
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,480
had amazing ligature marks around their

708
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,840
ankles which

709
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,520
which implied what

710
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,320
well glenda says that she she recalls

711
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:04,000
being strapped down to a table you know

712
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:04,640
a

713
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:26,799
the

714
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,559
now he

715
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,000
came forward to speak with the

716
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,000
researchers and share his experiences

717
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,000
but he has never wanted to come public

718
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,679
yeah um he uh actually didn't come up

719
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,760
didn't we didn't even find out anything

720
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,919
about him until 1996 three years down

721
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,360
the track apparently

722
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,039
very early on in the piece they'd gone

723
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,520
to other researchers to tell their story

724
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,279
and no one had been interested and it

725
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,360
hadn't been linked up so no one

726
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,039
knew that he had anything to do with

727
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,720
this and they had got a little bit

728
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:58,799
disillusioned and decided that maybe

729
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,000
they'd better just keep it to themselves

730
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,960
and it wasn't until they saw a story in

731
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,360
a magazine um an article that i'd done

732
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,279
that i thought you know hold on a second

733
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,520
this sounds exactly like what

734
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,279
what um

735
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,880
well what he went through this is his

736
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:16,799
wife encouraging him but he's got to do

737
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,880
something about it of course

738
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,400
[Laughter]

739
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,120
yes just as traumatic for the spouse as

740
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,960
the person yeah and he was also left

741
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
with um the same marks on his body that

742
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,520
the two women in the second car had was

743
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,400
a series of three dots on the inside

744
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,240
thigh um how large might these thoughts

745
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,880
be like a puncture dot or a brute you

746
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,440
know like the end of a pencil eraser on

747
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,360
the other yeah about the size of at the

748
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,919
end of a pencil eraser um three red

749
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,640
spots in a row that never fade in in

750
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:48,799
color is there any tenderness on these

751
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,149
i'm just aware of the markings i've been

752
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,400
given photographs of the marksman

753
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,720
now do you still have your triangle

754
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,720
when about five months afterwards five

755
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,880
months yeah um

756
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,400
actually at first it was fred and i

757
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,400
thought well this could be a burn then

758
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,360
it healed to be the outline of a scar

759
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,279
a triangular sculpt

760
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,200
suggested more that it was it might have

761
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,000
been a cut or all this layers of skin

762
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,399
removed rather than rather than actually

763
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,520
a burn

764
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,559
um

765
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,240
i didn't realize of course how important

766
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,679
that was until

767
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,120
january the following year when the

768
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,720
researchers said well hey you're not

769
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:30,720
alone in this because the other two had

770
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,320
it as well and that was a real relief

771
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,679
yeah so

772
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,320
now have you since you know met with the

773
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,480
other witnesses and become no friends

774
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,000
perhaps

775
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,159
i didn't understand that at first um

776
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:45,360
well i thought you know we've been

777
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,399
through this and no one else in the

778
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,880
world has experienced this it's like

779
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,320
well i really needed them because i

780
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,520
wasn't having the support from my

781
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,520
husband at all that i needed in fact he

782
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,080
was angry the whole at the whole thing

783
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,240
because he just wanted me not to tell

784
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,000
anybody and let's go on living the way

785
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:01,840
we were living and yet don't even talk

786
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:05,120
about it with him yeah yeah um

787
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,080
but

788
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:08,960
they um at first they well they weren't

789
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,840
even told about us until july 1994 so i

790
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,679
had to wait all of that time

791
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,399
um but a year later

792
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,799
about nine months um after they came

793
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,320
forward they were told about our

794
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,760
presence that night

795
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,520
um they hadn't seen us ahead of them

796
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,679
even though i'd seen them behind us

797
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,440
and

798
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,720
they did go

799
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,480
public they did a lecture at a

800
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,799
university and two radio shows that i

801
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:35,600
know of but i only learnt those in in

802
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,880
retrospect or i would have been there

803
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,320
and they decided that they weren't going

804
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,880
to do it anymore um

805
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,120
that bill was

806
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,279
terrified of uh you know his position as

807
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,679
a bank manager if anyone found out and

808
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,279
uh it was the girls who'd actually been

809
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,320
speaking

810
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,000
and so

811
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,600
they all just decided that it just

812
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,760
wasn't worth all the trouble of going

813
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,279
public and

814
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,720
they decided that

815
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,799
they were going to leave it behind and

816
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,840
really didn't want to deal with it

817
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,440
anymore there was actually a lot more to

818
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,520
it there was a big court case that went

819
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,279
on over revealing their personal

820
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,520
information in public and

821
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,520
a lot of other things who was it there

822
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,200
with the researchers and the second

823
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,399
party so

824
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,559
there was a lot a lot more complications

825
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,520
that went on than meets the eye

826
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,080
now writing this book encounter uh which

827
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,960
he wrote in 1996

828
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,200
well actually i didn't um it was

829
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,360
published in 96 but all of this really

830
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,559
comes from

831
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,720
um the journals that i was encouraged to

832
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,880
keep by the researchers it was like

833
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,360
write everything down you know and maybe

834
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,200
one day it can be used as reference

835
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,360
material or something um

836
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,760
and uh

837
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,360
it was it was a form of i guess a form

838
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,799
of therapy too

839
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,960
but more than that i've gone back

840
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,200
through my my old

841
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,200
journals and sometimes i'm amazed at how

842
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,039
much you forget over the years and it's

843
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,360
like oh god i forgot all about that you

844
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,440
know it might be a little incident or

845
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,360
you know a little insight and it was

846
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,880
really good to write it down but the

847
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,960
book basically

848
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,840
came from that um and and from an

849
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,399
interview that was done on tape and what

850
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:14,159
what compelled you to write this book

851
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,440
was it something that felt

852
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,360
therapeutically valuable did you want to

853
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,840
share it with a larger audience um not

854
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,000
at first that's what took me quite a

855
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,679
number of years to do anything with it

856
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
um i didn't really want to share it with

857
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,200
a lot of people it was even telling my

858
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,679
best friends was a bit of a problem but

859
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,360
the support that i got from them really

860
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,720
encouraged me a lot

861
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,240
but it was actually researchers and

862
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,720
other experiences i got to meet quite a

863
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,960
number of you know actually now it's in

864
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,520
the thousands of other experiences now

865
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,399
across the globe but by then i've met

866
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,760
um several people and

867
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,679
everyone kept saying to me listen you've

868
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:50,720
got

869
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,799
parties of witnesses

870
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,640
and um

871
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,640
we've been in our situations alone we

872
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:02,080
haven't got what you've got to get out

873
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,279
there and tell people hey there's

874
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,760
something going on and basically i think

875
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:06,399
i

876
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,640
your book

877
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,919
oh very good actually um media went

878
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,519
crazy on it in australia and actually

879
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,720
that's where

880
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,679
the

881
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,240
a lot of um

882
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,720
a lot of media attention turned to ufos

883
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,519
from there on in and um

884
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,360
oh actually a little bit before my book

885
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,600
um but i think i was one of the first

886
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,519
well probably the first experiencer to

887
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,440
go so full-on in the australian media

888
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,080
and i was on current affairs programs

889
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,720
and in academic journals and and so on

890
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,760
and

891
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,679
you know it's it's not an easy thing i

892
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,519
mean i'm not an unintelligent woman so

893
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:01,600
it's a you know i know it looks crazy

894
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,640
but

895
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,159
if someone doesn't get up there and make

896
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,919
a fool of themselves and invent an

897
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,679
absolutely stupid story like that when

898
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:10,240
they know how ridiculous it sounds

899
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,120
so

900
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,519
the purpose behind it you know

901
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,120
you know it's going to look stupid you

902
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,440
know it's going to probably ruin your

903
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,279
reputation or whatever but when you've

904
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,120
got a truth to get out there it's really

905
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,440
important and um i just thank god that a

906
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:25,200
lot of people actually did listen which

907
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,320
is um

908
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,000
yeah you're very fortunate it didn't

909
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,000
ruin your reputation and you live in a

910
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,320
now it did

911
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,470
but okay

912
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,430
um but you live in a small town now in

913
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,399
australia

914
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,120
and how do your your

915
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,600
fellow townspeople uh feel about your

916
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,840
experience or is there any you know

917
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,960
fault

918
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,840
feedback from us yeah well actually my

919
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,919
next door my next next-door neighbor is

920
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,919
a pastor of a church

921
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,279
and

922
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,200
within weeks of me moving in he was on

923
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,840
my doorstep saying uh i heard you wrote

924
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,919
a book and he said oh the boys have been

925
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,480
talking about it so but i don't i tend

926
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,039
to uh stick to myself a lot i'm a very

927
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,519
private person so i really don't know

928
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,760
what people say and think nobody's

929
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,919
coming no one will do it purposely to me

930
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,440
actually the only problem person having

931
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,440
any problem with it at the moment is my

932
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,840
my oldest uh she's about to turn 13 and

933
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,120
she's going through that stage where

934
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,799
everything about her mum's embarrassing

935
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,600
and

936
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,799
this just makes it worse

937
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,559
once upon a time she used to be really

938
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:34,880
proud of this not anymore yeah so that's

939
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,320
just that age yes being a 13 year old so

940
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,720
now you have three children

941
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,960
and how do the others uh has there been

942
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,799
any experiences that you know of that

943
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,200
your children have had or have you had

944
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,880
and well let's start with your children

945
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:49,760
and then

946
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,600
um well i certainly hope not um but none

947
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,200
that you know of that your children have

948
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,840
not had any encounters or visitations do

949
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,080
you feel you've had any visitations or

950
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:02,480
encounters since that night august 93

951
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,399
event yes i had for five months after

952
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,079
the encounter

953
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,800
i had what i term as night visitations i

954
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:11,919
had

955
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,240
woke up on four occasions to see

956
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,159
one of these tall dark beings standing

957
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,480
right beside my bed um whether it was a

958
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,240
sleep phenomena or something i don't

959
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,399
know but it certainly seemed real when i

960
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,480
woke up and um

961
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,560
yeah uh well enough to scare the living

962
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,480
daylights out of me so that you know

963
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,399
only it's only been two and a half years

964
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,919
since i've been able to sleep without

965
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,359
the light on again

966
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,720
so you know when you when you've been

967
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,399
that scared as an adult that you've got

968
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,159
to sleep with the light on in your room

969
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,399
you know it's uh to me it was very very

970
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,040
real now the being that you saw in the

971
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,599
follow-up visitations night visitations

972
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,119
where did they appear as best as you

973
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:51,520
could tell to be the same beings only

974
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,800
one um okay was it this did it appear to

975
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,399
be the same as the

976
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,400
seven beings how many did you see out in

977
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,240
the field that night we didn't write

978
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,760
seven or eight did it appear to be the

979
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,040
same yeah

980
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,560
yeah yes i was um pretty sure it was one

981
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,839
of the same

982
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,079
so other than the

983
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,320
sort of teardrop shape head with the red

984
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,880
eyes that appear to glow is that a

985
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,720
appropriate yeah to describe it were

986
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,920
there what about the rest of the

987
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,040
i'm sure beside my bed um it seemed to

988
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,240
be wearing a cloak huh um like a keep

989
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,200
yeah down to the ground and a hood on it

990
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,000
and and it's really actually quite

991
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,160
strange because um

992
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,359
glinda

993
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,680
from the second party um

994
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,119
only found out

995
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,800
probably two years down the track i was

996
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,200
given more of her diagrams

997
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,640
and uh

998
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,880
where she says she came back into

999
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,160
consciousness and she was strapped down

1000
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,280
to a table

1001
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,880
the being that she woke up and saw was

1002
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,640
also wearing a cloak

1003
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,880
um so there's sort of a

1004
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,200
little coincidence there yeah but out on

1005
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,640
the field

1006
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,480
i really can't tell you about their

1007
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,079
bodies because when some when you see

1008
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,720
this sort of this huge mess of glowing

1009
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,240
red eyes coming straight at you you're

1010
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,599
not looking at anything else but the

1011
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:09,200
eyes you know i mean you're not worried

1012
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,400
about the color of their fingernail

1013
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,520
polish it just doesn't enter your mind

1014
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,920
like when cats eyes you know the light

1015
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:17,440
hits them just right at night was it

1016
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:19,540
that kind of a red eye it was like

1017
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,110
[Music]

1018
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,880
[Applause]

1019
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,400
um a

1020
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,119
a red hot glow on a stove

1021
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,640
that sort of glow

1022
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,040
very interesting

1023
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,760
hmm wow i would be terrified who

1024
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,280
wouldn't be terrified seeing something

1025
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,720
like that and i can't even imagine

1026
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,280
waking up and standing on the side of my

1027
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,680
bed as some red-eyed creature with a

1028
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,160
cloak on that's right yeah oh thank you

1029
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,079
goodness that first time it happened

1030
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,520
there was no way i was going back to

1031
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:51,440
sleep that night i was sort of i'm

1032
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,470
you know there's a lot of people that i

1033
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,160
speak to how often did it happen during

1034
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,680
that five month period

1035
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,440
four times during five months and what

1036
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:05,760
happened during those night visitation

1037
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,860
okay well the first time um

1038
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,280
[Music]

1039
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,680
i could feel this i was asleep and i had

1040
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,200
a very vivid dream where i could feel

1041
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,280
this presence in my dream

1042
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,599
and something said to me not to be

1043
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,440
frightened of what was about to happen

1044
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,880
and i felt this suction on my chest and

1045
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,400
i almost like my chest to turn into an

1046
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,240
elastic band and something's sucking

1047
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,480
something out of me and then i got a bit

1048
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,400
panicked and it eased back into me a

1049
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,240
little bit and then it started again but

1050
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,680
really really strong and that's what

1051
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,599
woke me up like energy or something was

1052
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,680
being drawn out of me but it really made

1053
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,040
my chest feel like it was an elastic

1054
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,520
band and when i woke up that's when i

1055
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,359
saw this thing standing this far away

1056
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,599
from me on the side of the bed yet in my

1057
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,599
here's the difference in my dream when i

1058
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,520
was asleep i couldn't see anything it

1059
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,440
was just a presence only ever in all of

1060
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,440
these dreams when i woke up did i see

1061
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,280
something in the dreams there was never

1062
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,040
anything to see it was just an awareness

1063
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,520
of a very strong presence of something

1064
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,400
and what i did notice is the the same

1065
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,640
absolute horror energy that i had out on

1066
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:06,560
the field was the same thing i felt when

1067
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,760
this thing showed up oh dear and

1068
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,160
how what happened next when you had that

1069
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,920
feeling of horror how long did this last

1070
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,240
did anything happen like a

1071
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,160
any physical marks the next day any

1072
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,079
communication any

1073
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,040
missing time that you knew of no it just

1074
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,880
seemed to just stand there and look at

1075
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,560
me and

1076
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,960
and then it was gone but

1077
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,520
i just got the impression that i might

1078
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,520
have won this time but you know there'll

1079
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,440
be other days that's that's the whole

1080
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,680
impression almost like it was there long

1081
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,359
enough for me to realize that hey this

1082
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,400
is real

1083
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,280
and then it wasn't and um

1084
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,560
yeah it wasn't a good year i think after

1085
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:47,760
that

1086
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,599
things but um we had some very strange

1087
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,280
electrical phenomena going on around the

1088
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,280
house

1089
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,200
we had major appliances blowing light

1090
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,000
bulbs going all of the time

1091
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,440
just what do you mean going blowing up

1092
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,589
we had the tv turning on and off by

1093
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,920
itself the my husband's car would turn

1094
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,320
over in the driveway like it was like

1095
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,440
with the sound of car that's been

1096
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:15,040
flooded with a kill switch on and the

1097
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,320
door's locked and he'd run down to

1098
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,480
try and fight yeah he'd run down

1099
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,560
to try and find the thief and the car's

1100
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,839
still locked and

1101
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,920
the kill switch is still on oh my gosh

1102
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,599
and no here in the ignition and the car

1103
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,720
is going

1104
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,119
yeah and uh

1105
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:31,119
some to me and i was getting electric

1106
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,240
shocks from things that shouldn't

1107
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,119
conduct electricity like uh rocks and

1108
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,280
soil and wood and things out in the

1109
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,359
garden i kept getting these these shocks

1110
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,760
all the time and i really think that

1111
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,280
especially with the car

1112
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,760
that somehow whatever we were in contact

1113
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,599
with in out in the field

1114
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,000
had uh some sort of electrical charge or

1115
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,760
something that started to

1116
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,839
not only affect our bodies but but you

1117
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,599
know mechanical things like the car as

1118
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,310
wow how long did those strange

1119
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,560
that stuff went on for about nine or ten

1120
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,400
months so you were having migraines for

1121
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,319
about nine months yeah you were having

1122
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,400
strange electrical effects

1123
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,560
and then they dissipated stopped

1124
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,160
abruptly

1125
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,400
it just seemed to disappear just to stop

1126
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,440
um

1127
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,359
and so the night visitation stopped

1128
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,200
after that nine months as well

1129
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,440
they were only the first five months

1130
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,359
first five months so after nine months

1131
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:25,599
after as far as you know

1132
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:28,640
you have had no experiences

1133
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,319
well not not anything like that no

1134
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,800
yeah now have you had any any

1135
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:36,640
experiences at all

1136
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:40,240
prior to august 93 on the road

1137
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:44,880
well there's only one experience that

1138
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,240
now makes sense and it didn't then

1139
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,520
um in

1140
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,440
1991

1141
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,680
i was living in a melbourne suburb leila

1142
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,160
and i was very very pregnant um

1143
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:04,550
very very pregnant

1144
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,550
and minutes away from dvd

1145
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,400
i woke up in the morning

1146
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,359
lying

1147
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,920
spread eagled on my my huge stomach

1148
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,440
balancing on the bed with my arms and

1149
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,319
legs sort of off the bed um with my son

1150
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,240
kicking me and my waters had actually

1151
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,359
broken and

1152
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,960
it was really hard actually to get up

1153
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,160
off the bed and i don't even know how i

1154
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,680
got in that position but i got up and i

1155
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,680
started to walk towards the door

1156
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,680
and i noticed my night he was on inside

1157
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,720
out

1158
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,240
and then i thought when did i you know

1159
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,440
it's a bit stupid putting that on

1160
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,440
backwards and

1161
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,599
i asked myself when you know when did i

1162
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,520
put it on and i could not remember going

1163
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,040
to bed the last thing i remember was

1164
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,960
sitting out in the lounge room

1165
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,960
and it's the first time in my life where

1166
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,839
i hadn't remembered doing something and

1167
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,680
i sort of you know ticked over in my

1168
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,800
mind

1169
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,839
and

1170
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,480
because i was going into labor at that

1171
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,200
very time you know sort of my

1172
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,280
the concern about it lasted until about

1173
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,800
as far as i got to the bedroom door and

1174
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,839
that was it you know there's other

1175
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,079
things sort of took precedence over it

1176
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,560
but i also came up with um

1177
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,560
these marks on the side of my legs which

1178
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,599
were like

1179
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,280
um

1180
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,520
deep grooves and that were dark purple

1181
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,800
and they all seemed to come up around

1182
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,079
the same time

1183
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:18,079
and it's only now um

1184
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,119
after

1185
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,520
i've learned a lot about ufo experiences

1186
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,280
and everything that i that they that

1187
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,520
they're the classical scoop marks that a

1188
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,520
lot of um

1189
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,839
ufo experiences actually have and if you

1190
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,000
actually feel them you can feel um what

1191
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,480
feels like a hole going down through the

1192
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,319
muscle tissue right down like a punch

1193
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,200
biopsy

1194
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,720
so you still have that mark on your

1195
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,960
ankle no on both of my calves both of

1196
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,280
your cows yeah

1197
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,760
so that does look like something else

1198
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,079
strange happened there but yeah so now

1199
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,240
with the birth healthy normal everything

1200
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,160
went fine when you did get you went to a

1201
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,960
hospital well i had to be induced but um

1202
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,240
uh

1203
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,560
yeah the birth was fine um and your son

1204
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,800
is how old now this is your youngest

1205
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,200
yeah he's eight and look at that big

1206
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,550
wonderful so he's eight years old now

1207
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,480
and is there anything unique about him

1208
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:13,280
that you've noticed that perhaps

1209
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:20,550
unlike the therapy

1210
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:28,069
and we'll be again soon

1211
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,510
yeah so there's nothing in particular

1212
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:31,760
about his health or his uh thinking

1213
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,640
philosophy mental capacity he's a very

1214
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,720
very compassionate child but whether

1215
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,560
that's got to do with the way that you

1216
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,079
know different children are raised you

1217
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,640
know you learn by your mistakes i guess

1218
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:43,760
um

1219
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:49,440
everyday wonderful kid huh yeah that's

1220
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,720
it

1221
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,480
well wonderful i'm glad to hear that i

1222
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,800
mean uh and looking back that's very

1223
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,040
nice that everything went smoothly

1224
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,920
well so this is an absolutely

1225
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,720
extraordinary case i mean the amount of

1226
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,680
evidence you have between the

1227
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,680
landing marks and all the things that

1228
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,240
happened to the soil um i know that

1229
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,400
there's i have a little list here if you

1230
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,319
don't mind just to summarize things for

1231
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,160
people

1232
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,000
the evidence that you have let me get

1233
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,880
the soil effects here um there's six

1234
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,560
soil effects that i got now where what

1235
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,000
i'm reading off of now just so people

1236
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,760
know is off of an article that you wrote

1237
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,920
that is on the internet through the

1238
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,079
let me just double check move on la

1239
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,000
website because you were just down there

1240
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,000
doing a presentation for them as well

1241
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,160
along with a lot of other places

1242
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,240
kentucky canada northern and southern

1243
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,520
california

1244
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,520
and uh the sixth soil effects now you

1245
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,680
had mentioned that there was uh with a

1246
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,400
tannic acid is that the um

1247
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,040
tannic acid is probably the strange one

1248
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,400
because it was coat

1249
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,839
it should have been dissolved with all

1250
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,680
the rain it was actually coated in an

1251
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,000
unidentifiable waxy substance which

1252
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,680
seems to be a residue

1253
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,000
left from yeah what's the waxy substance

1254
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:02,400
that's incredible is it plant material

1255
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,470
and it was only in this this

1256
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,800
crescent-shaped magnetic anomaly in fact

1257
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,599
all of the all of the soil um changes

1258
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,760
and changes in the chemistry were

1259
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,560
confined to that uh that crescent-shaped

1260
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,560
magnetic anomaly and and the ground

1261
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,400
within that so out of the entire large

1262
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,720
area that they tested it most of

1263
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,960
everything

1264
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,800
now they're also how is the foliage of

1265
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,000
the area

1266
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,240
that's very interesting actually um

1267
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,680
all the foliage

1268
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,359
in the crescent area including blades of

1269
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,839
grass leaves everything

1270
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,200
was covered in

1271
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,520
what looked like little holes everywhere

1272
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,720
it's like a

1273
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,359
constant abrasion through everything and

1274
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,040
this little hole effect seems to go

1275
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,319
further because it was actually in the

1276
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,680
soil as well

1277
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,119
um

1278
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,280
the soil seemed to be filled with little

1279
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,000
air holes as if water had been drained

1280
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,160
from it very very rapidly like some kind

1281
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,240
of kind of um rapid dehydration yeah

1282
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,680
it's a little bit similar to what

1283
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,680
happens uh in some crop circles that's

1284
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,280
very interesting they've had that

1285
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,880
happening the hardening of the soil the

1286
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,280
rapid compacting exactly yeah so the

1287
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,040
compacting from the pressure the minute

1288
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,960
air holes also there was a great deal of

1289
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,760
sulfur present in that yeah um yeah an

1290
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,520
extraordinary amount actually in the

1291
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,680
semicircle sort of

1292
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,200
but after my experience all i could

1293
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,599
think of the fire and brimstone

1294
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,200
the sulphur comes in really well there

1295
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,800
doesn't it i wonder if that's where that

1296
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,800
original association came from you know

1297
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,359
that's very possible very interesting

1298
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,400
now the uh and and the other cross

1299
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,560
reference that we have between you and

1300
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,319
the other two carloads of witnesses a

1301
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,079
total of six people from three different

1302
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,520
vantage points well the six of you were

1303
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,599
along the road what you all share

1304
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,119
together is

1305
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,280
as we saw earlier in the show the

1306
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,880
drawings of the crafts that were all

1307
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,839
drawn separately yet clearly you know

1308
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,839
you all saw the same thing the drawings

1309
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:02,079
of the beings

1310
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,960
you

1311
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,520
and some of the other women had similar

1312
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:08,160
medical problems after did any of them

1313
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,520
experience

1314
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,599
the migraines like you did or any

1315
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,760
unusual electrical effects around their

1316
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,440
homes

1317
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,400
um

1318
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,240
i am not sure

1319
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:20,640
actually you now asking me questions

1320
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:38,390
[Laughter]

1321
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,750
the ladies did um as for electrical

1322
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,520
phenomena i don't know

1323
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,079
bill did seem to have uh that was male

1324
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,079
from the second part he did seem to have

1325
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,839
one unusual

1326
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,720
um

1327
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,440
factor with with his experience is that

1328
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,839
directly afterwards he started losing

1329
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,599
quite large clumps of hair from out the

1330
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,520
back of his head and within a very short

1331
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,040
amount of time he developed quite a

1332
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,160
large bald spot um so there seems to

1333
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,760
know whether it's effects of radiation

1334
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,240
or what it was but um now did you have

1335
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,119
any uh uh res action as if you were

1336
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,960
exposed to radiation or anything like

1337
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,800
that well this is this is what makes me

1338
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:17,680
keep thinking back to the law the

1339
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,640
incident

1340
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,079
that might have occurred two years

1341
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,839
before was that i got very very ill

1342
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,480
after that and i started losing

1343
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,119
hair by the handful um

1344
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,880
right after the birth of your son after

1345
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,720
the event where you woke up and i

1346
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:35,520
actually had to um oh dear i actually

1347
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,480
had a

1348
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
to be rushed to hospital with with what

1349
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,800
was supposed to be appendicitis and they

1350
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,520
and they did a um

1351
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,040
an emergency operation on me at one

1352
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,720
o'clock in the morning but first they

1353
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,880
did a blood test and one of the signs of

1354
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,040
appendicitis is that your um white cell

1355
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,599
count goes sky high

1356
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,200
and yet when they got inside all they

1357
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,440
could find was some sort of inflammation

1358
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,040
and there wasn't anything wrong with the

1359
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,359
appendix just the whole inside of me had

1360
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,520
become inflamed and

1361
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,920
what i find is unusual is that

1362
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,880
radiation uh has the same effect but it

1363
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,480
sends the white

1364
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,480
cell count soaring and

1365
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,079
you know sort of all happened around the

1366
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,920
same period and it really makes me think

1367
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,200
that um that you might have had some

1368
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,359
radiation exposure on the event that

1369
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,240
occurred before the uh august 93 event

1370
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,520
that you talk about in this book now

1371
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,680
your book encounter is not available at

1372
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,599
the moment you have sold out of all your

1373
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,640
copies

1374
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,280
and people are going to just have to uh

1375
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,200
wait while you find another publisher in

1376
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,200
the hopes of making it available or if

1377
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,800
they're very lucky they'll find it in a

1378
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,880
used bookstore but it's not available at

1379
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,319
the moment it hasn't been published in

1380
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,800
the united states

1381
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,640
yeah if people want to reach you however

1382
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,319
are you open to hearing from some of our

1383
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,079
viewers yes

1384
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,440
how would people get in touch with you

1385
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,079
kelly uh usually by email uh okay would

1386
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:53,920
you be willing to say your email that's

1387
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,599
fine it's uh all lowercase expo expo

1388
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:59,520
at i

1389
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,280
hyphen o dot net dot a u okay read it

1390
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:04,880
one more time say it one more time okay

1391
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,480
that's expo expo at i

1392
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,000
hyphen o

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